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And So She Goes
And So She Goes

Episode 20 · 1 year ago

19. Angel Gray, Sideline Reporter for Cleveland Cavaliers, Fox Sports Ohio

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Growing up with 5 other siblings, being competitive is simply a way of life for Angel Gray. That mindset of always wanting to win has fueled her throughout her adulthood--as a collegiate basketball player at Florida State, and after college in her career as a sports broadcaster. In college, Angel competed at a high level on the court. After an injury sidelined her for some time, she knew she needed to find a way to keep sports in her life, even after the "ball stopped bouncing." That's where her broadcasting dream began to take shape.

Conversations with real women who makesports happen, this is, and so she goes. Here's your host, Amanda, Borgeous, Hello, happy whatever day is today.Thank you for tuning in this week's guest is awesome. Angel Gray is asideline reporter for foxports Ohio covering the Cleveland, cavaliers andshe's also a play by playing analyst for the WNB. She Played CollegeBasketball at Florida. State gonals and she's had an interesting journey insports broadcasting, so we of course talk about all the highs and the loavs,how being a college athlete helped shape her career? What she's learnedabout herself during hard times her responsibility to bridge the GAPBETWEEN CLEVELAND FANS and players? What her hope is for the future ofblack women and prominent rules in sports, and so much more here, is mychat with Foxbort's Ohio, Silan, reporter Angel Gray, Hello Angel. How are you I'm doing?Well, Minaout Yourself, I'm doing well, I am excited to have you on. You are, Ithink, my second or third fellow Knoll to come on the ous, which is al,exciting Ra, really excited is awesome. I know Um. I there's there's so much totalk about Um so much, but before we get into your current role in thecurrent state of the world, I do like to start with a little rewind. So ifyou don't mind, take us back to where you grew up and how you got into sportsawsome. Well, I honestly can't remember life without sports, I'mone of six M. All of my siblings play ports. My parents played sports and Ithink all of my relatives period were involved in some type of sports justthrough life, who were always just very competitive. I grew up in StoneinGeorgias about twenty minutes outside of Atlanta on the east side M, and it'sjust like a acute suburb, where I spent the entire my entire life. Basically, Iwas born in New Jersey and literally a week later, my parents decided to movedown south where they thought it was better to raise a children. My momactually wanted ten kids, but my gard here LES TAT at Sick. Sothat's that's how how it goes and for those up north now is very expensive toraise a family up north. So that's why we decided to come down south and Ijust Um recall all of my memories being here from you know. Volleyball to youknow, tball or you know, cheerleading yeah had that phase and in basketball,which the majority of my life Um just always being around sports, andjust my parents telling me that I could pretty much do anything. I do recallone time where my dad kindof drew the lot the Inin the sand it was like, butyou cannot play football. My younger brother M was on his P Vteam and I just remember wanting to do everything Yo kno with him. I I'm sucha tomboy but being at his practice, and I remember trying to tackle somethinglike on one of the machines and my dad was like yeah wee. We're done we'regoing home and thankfully we did that. Just kindo gives you anunderstanding of just like our household like it's, not Um, just aboutThanksgiving or Christmas yeah. We lov those times to gather the family, butwe're more interested in playing the flag football game. You know after weeat s, that's just kind o. How I grew up and how I got into Um Sports, just um further than playing atstoman high school in Georgia, basically was me getting a full ride,an a scholarship to florda state. As you mentione Um Soo. I know gonalsthere Um for Nub Tournament, appearances. There, our team went tothe first sweet. Sixteen had the first Ale date went to ACC regular seasontitles, so that was really fun for me, but M. I knew just for me my freshmanyear after I turned my acl that woat. If I don't have sports in my life andimmediately, I thought Oky. How am I going to use basketball to get what Iwant? After it? The ball is done douncing. So I immediately startedlooking into communications and, as you know, broadcasting at Flore state isamazing and did a lot of different courses. There worked with Sun SupportsFlorida, an forth Florida in Orlando, and it was just on from there so there's so much on pack here, becauseI'm I'm Soi'm just fascinated by the dynamic of growing up as one of six,because I there's only me and my brother, and so I feel like in a bighousehold like you, almost have to have...

...a competitive spirit to like makethings work right, 'cause, there's constantly so much going on and youalmost have to like fight for attention and and just compete with one anotherto like, enjoy each other's company ass, a fact Li. I as you're unpacking that as I can.Maybe we need help 'cause everything, ise, O Etention Til, to thos day anlike mom. You know I can bea to an Afry thro contest or my dad, like er racingoutside, and I just recently raised the kids to my sister outside you know, se,a recent common Gra like played m in college as well. So it's just thatconstant, like I'm better than you am older than you, but you're not betterthan me. But it's just it's healthy, though, because we're always likehere's a bar, and this is what we want to reach, but honestly just um helpedthis really become closer. We always had something in common its that wealways wanted to win. My younger brother M, I feel like we're twins, buthe didn't really play sports or get into it as much as we did, and it's twoboys and four girls and all the girls pretty much Um went on to playingcollege. My older sister set the bar very, very high. She went to JamesMadison University, like graduated like third in her class in high school, andit wasn't just sports. It was like okay. Well now I have to be brilliant in theclassroom too, but it was a really healthy. Um thing for us, and- and Ihave to say to my parents just held- is accountable to say. Okay, if we, if we say we want something,what are we doing to get to it? You know to everything: was my sistersaying: Well, you wanted to get a scholarship. What you doing are youworking out harder? Are you in the gym? After you know, schools out, so it'slike five different agents in your house at a very young age. Weling toyou know, make sure that you're on the right path, but it was amazing, mychildhood was so much fun. We still raced to see Ho's going to sit in thefront when we're writing with my parents, so I can't complain at all. It wasdefinitely an amazing time. Well. That mindset is huge because, like you saidbefore, you were so focussed on. You know once you had your injury freshmanyear, you were focused on what was next. What would happen for you after youwere done playing basketball and I feel like just having that mindset reallysets anyone up for success. So my question is how how did you get yourfirst job out of college, knowing you wanted to work in broadcasting and alsousing the skills that you learned as a college athlete? That's a perfect,that's a great question. I Um and one that's Um geared and feled bywhat people say. I can't do so for me, I didn't. I had a minor incommunication, so communications in FFORCE. It was so hard to get into andlike for me, my GPA was there, but not quite good enough for me to to get intothe school. So I was like well, I'm still going to figure t figure this out,like I'm not just going to quit. Just because you know this is like a bump inthe road, so I asked to get in different major classes where theteachers were even like, there's no way that you can complete this because ofyour schedule as an athlete. So there will be times where I'm like flyingfrom Duke or North Carolina, and you know getting in at three o'clock in themorning and I'm going straight to the Edit Bay and like editing my tapesand making sure that everything's laid out fror my eight o'clock class wl. Ijust think for me it was just something inate. It was something where, if Ireally really wanted it, I had to prove it. It wasn't something that I couldjust speak at the show, and I hat people around me. Like my teammates, Icouldn't ask fer better sisters because they know exactly what I wanted to do.They honestly gave me my first vision board. They showed me yet tis with a e spnd microphone.Showing me I mean some of himself was pretty goofy on there too B'cause. Theymade fun of how I rebounded the ball, but it was funny because, like I couldat least see what I wanted to bet and other people saw that and me as well.So I mean I from there getting my first job out of college was mainly becauseof ACC the conference M, offering a year long internship, where formerstudent athletes were interviewed in Greensboro and different companies, IkeCocacola, Foxwort, south of Oxworth Florida or anything within m the ACCoffice. They were offering internships which was cool at the time too, becauseduring two thousand and nine ton thousand and ten that's when therecession was really really bad financially, and I also remembergasping five dollars, but I just I recall like having that opportunity andjust wanting to nail that um interview, because I would be able to go and gethands on experience. I Wand Hem getting the experience at foxworts Floridamoving to Orlando for a year and...

...working with some of the most amazingpeople, one of my first N B, a interviews ith, was with rite Howard. Igot into hockey because of the Tampa Bay. Lightning. Sam Stam Coast isprobably one of my favorite players and then it's Hap to be like temperbaryrays with baseball, but that internship allowed me so many opportunities, notjust because of just being there and then knowing that I was a productionassistant, but they knew what I wanted to be, and I showed them that theycould trust me in it. And so I was one of very few, if not the first intern,that was able to be in three different shows. So I was not went back toFlorida state. I did you know the college basketball preview. I did ourbull preview in Christian, ponder and EJ manual. was there I'm about to dothe Chicflabel, I believe in Atlanta and just being able to do that, get theexperience and then have a feature that was aired right before the playoffs forthe Tampa Bay um raise on home game and seeing yourself on TV as an in turn.I think that just gave me all the fuel I needed so yeah t definitely motivatesyou. I mean it just shows you like, with the hard work and just persistenceand then also just showing everybody in the room which are capable of the doorswill open and at first it was. It was o itwas arduous, but w s thinking, okay, how can I show them my worse and justcoming? You know with that blue collar attitude to work every day and noteveryday. Was a talent n me in a talent roll day? Sometimes I'm locking tape,sometimes I'm just sitting in there Um you know playing on the computer othertimes, I'm trying to figure out how I can produce his show, but I think thatfirst opportun opportunity for me to get into you know what I wanted to do allowed me to really envision, not justenvision myself in a roll that I wanted to be in, but actually be in it and becoached by some of the best and be taught by some on o the best. So evenin two to three years in between where I was like in Limbl what I wanted to dofor my career as far as like what the next step was, I could always go backto that. Remember that people trusted me Ind. The timing was everythingbecause I then had to just I say the valley, just kind of wait out thevalley teach myself like how to be persistent again and just stay incourage and when the phone rings and ges happens, and you just have to beprepared for it, I'm glad you brought that up because, especially now withsocial media, we all see the highlights. So we see that you, you know, are nowin Cleveland covering the caves for Fox ports, Ohio, but there there's some,not so great stuff. That probably happened before that before you go outopportunities. Can you tell that story? Oh Man, of course I mean, I think,honestly, that's probably my oi want to say my favorite part of the journey, but I'm only saying that, because I'mout of it Rih, I just remember from foxbortsFlorida. They offered me a part time position when they moved down to, or Ithink Fort Lauterdale and I was like you know when I'm going to take mychance. I just and my gut. I feel like it's best for me to move out to La andsee. What's you know, for me, there packed Welle decided their network. Myformer a college coach. She was an assistant got the heck coaching job atUCLA. Coryclose is an angel because she saw something on me as well, and shesaw everything that I was doing with the internship in Orlando and shewanted me to do some things with her team and features, and I eventually waslike an MC. I was you know, doing radio in Willl theseall these things soundgood. I was also working part time for, like a local station L, a thirty six, Iwas working parttime for Nike, like there were so many different thingsthat I had to pick up just to make rent. You know, so I just remember thinking when is hegoing to shake? When is he going to be my time and we always want it rightaway? We are living in a microwave society where you know we just want toM, see puition right away, and that's why I lway say the valley, because ittakes time to really understand where you're going and who you are, but Ialso shared Um. This was one of my friends oseck. I think I'm preaching tomyself. I made a hot park ever made, chickenpot pie one day, I remember m putting the Jingapot Pieand the microwave, and I was like that, blame it. It burned the edges and I wasreally upset about it and I was like you know I should have put it in theoven. It comes out perfect every time, but I just get frustrated 'cause. Ihave to wait on it in the oven. I thought about us like. Sometimes wejust are such in a rush for things to happen right away M, but we don't learnanything in it and F. It's perfect. It just takes a little bit more time if weait for the oven, you know and just...

...understanding what that means in ourdaily journey of you know just learning the lessons and taking the timeisunderstanding what time means ind a process enjoying the process like itwasn't great, making thirty dollars, you know per game or you know m livingwith your your parents. You know just to say: Okay whenever this you knowinds, I'm going to be great and we'll you know I'll make sure I'm owncontract and all this stuff. But at the end of the day there was always thatsupport, saying angel. Just take your time. I think, if there's any lesson tome and something that's so encouraging is in that moment like you get frustrated,but I never felt like the people around me, Gav UV on me, and I think that'swhy I was able to persevere and understand to being a woman of faith,and one of my favorite scriptures is Durei, my twenty nine eleven. As Iunderstanding God's promises, and wouldn't he showed me at thatinternship and just because it took a little longer for me to get a contractor yes, forfrom, an agency or whatever. It may be h that doesn't negate what Iwas able to go through or the work that I put in. So that was a constantreminder for myself to just continue to work. The journey I mean you have to learn to enjoy it, becausewhat are you going to learn from Athegan? I want my book to be somethingwhere each chapter is a lesson, not the first page she won, and that was it. Noone wants to read that story. So I'm grateful for t the lessons that I was able to learn. I don't call hem failures, but th thelessons that I was able to say. Okay, that made me better. That was tough.That made me stronger and being an athlete too. I think you alluded tothis earlier, just being a sunacity. What that taught me just understanding,setting a goal getting through it and understanding what it took to get tothat point, and I don't play tennis, so it's not a one person game. So I'm I'mgrateful for the mentors that I've had this circle. That has been around me totosupport me in Hisjourney as well, who knew a chicken pot pie could be soprofound. I donknobnohonestly ofers. No, that theanalogy is it's it's perfect, because it's true, we we don't have patiente.We want things to work out today. We don't even want to wait until tomorrowand the lessons that you learn. Um struggling and working hard areinvaluable and they make you even more grateful Um for where you are today andwhere you will continue to go. So, even though the valley is difficult foreveryone Um, whether you've already experienced it you're going through itnow or maybe that's coming soon, for you unfortunately Um for anyone, that'slistening, Um, it's it's just I it makes you stronger and Um. It really is. It makes your storybetter, like you said, wh h, it's so hard to see. In that moment, I thinkthat's. The hardest thing is like when you're going through it, to understandthat you know there is a light at the end of the tunnel, but that's that'shard. That's really hard, and I know a lot of people are going. There are alot of tough things right now. So Um, you know, even going through strugglesin the past, helps you once you struggle again, because you know how toyou know, sort of help yourself how to lean on others. How to motivateyourself to get through it Um, but I'm glad you kept going because now youhave an awesome opportunity to cover an awesome team, and I know that we'vesort of forgotten what a normal season is like just because ofben months, butnormally what is a basketball season like fr you with traveling, coveringgames all over the country? Oh my Gosh! First off I'll start with this, it's adream: COMETRU, it really is so much fun. I absolutely love my jobso much to a point where some days when you walk in arenas, you almost comelike to tears like this is work. This has been Theri way that this can be myjob and you think. Okay, I made thirty dollars for this game R. When I was inLa- and I wasn't Reti nice and I had to do this and you're liking- put the workin so enjoy it, but I think just just being Um in the NB a period. I love the fact that its such a Progressive League, I think AdamSilver, has been amazing, with even being a woman, not unless an AfricanAmerican woman in Isle, I see how progressive and the opportunities andHowhandson in the vision of him being inclusive, even if you're looking at not just whatthey do for each Um. You know Cultur or background within the League, but evenwhat you're seeing on the sidelines now, I'm fortunate to you know be one O orcover franchise where we have an...

...assistant. That's a female! That'sawesome! Because the year before the year prior, he said you know what Iwant to make sure that this league understands the importance of thefemale, the woman, and I want to see more representation incoaching from females, as well as onthe court from officials and we've seen that it's been awesome to cover that it'sbeen awesome for other people to realize that sports doesn't have agender and, if you're, good, at what you do, you're good at what you do andit's been fun to see: Lindsy Gotleave, just justunderstand what that is withinthe League. That's just one aspect of it, but just my overall job, an what itis. I mean it's no day as the same you get up. I have a conference call withsome of my broadcast people on with Fot Sports. We talk about what we're goingto cover shoot around. We go to shoot around. Wetalk to some of the players, we watch any of you know the scheme or the gameplan that may be in play. For that night. We talk to the coaches, we tryand figure out what the best thing to cover and whath the fans Wen to see. Ifthere are any hot topics or if there 're any hot kicks, you know, that'sthat's where we are now it's like. Okay E are, you were iiportan. Ise Is theresa Gan that you know you have a statement on your shoe or somethinglike that. We have to be in the no and that's the difference between being aUM national network and being with theteam and the regional network where we are around them all the time. So I it'scool to share those stories, because it's not just the objective but reallydiving in and just being able to. You know, give the fans a behind the sceneslike th what these players are really like off the court, so you get home youget back to the hotel o wherever you maybe e your hom. Our Way, you may havea little bit of time to work out. Have some amazing people that I work outwith on on the road that are included with the calvsum staff and then ARSACtwo, like our Spanish radio. We always run a Radio Guy Rafa, we're alwaysrunning together and doing workout, but then we eat and we get back on the bus.And then we have you know a player off the bus. That's doing a future, that'sgoing to show in pregame show and then I'm doing another hit for the pregameshow. Then you got to locker availability to see if there's anythingelse, that you need to touch on whether it's matchups or anything you'retalking to the coach for his media availability, then you go to theopposing coach and you want to see what theyare planning and what they have tosay about your team as well. Then you leave you, try to gather your thoughts.I hope I have 't lost you. Sometimes I lose my own mind. You Get therand n.You have to make sure that you have everything to go lie for the PREE. Dameshow you're done with that, and then the live game begins when the ball goesup in the air. Then you're like let's go to me it's like any other game dayfor me playing in sports, like I have a pregame mix that I play every day in Gaaway that let's just get it and it's just it never gets oldlike as as oftenas it happens en wecovered. Eighty two actually, eighty five games Um. Well,not this year, obviously ecause. We can finish the tall end of the season, butwe were slated to cover all eighty five games and everysingle game was different, so it's just um a constant challenge to be differentand bring Pissaz. It doesn't matter what the team's record is or umanything of that nature. You have to be the eyes and airs for the fans andthat's what's most rewarding is when the fans trush you enough to say allright thanks for that and that when the season's over and they're saying that,like thank you for everything that you've done in the coverage hen. Thatmeans I can continue to sleep at night, because I know cluting fans are thebest and Het woul get on you. If you were not on the top of your game. Oh Yeah, I'm very familiar with thatcovering the rangers and working for an original six hockey team and thebraingers fans being complete, diehards M, which is AO thing, but you're rightyou, you feel a sense of responsibility to the fans, because you are thatbridge between the fans and the athletes like you're around theathletes. Twenty four seven they're, counting on you to tell them all thesestories that they wouldn't otherwise know. So it's great that you take thatresponsibility seriously, because it's important it it's really important andand the team and players know how important the fans are as well so totreat them in that way. Is it's huge m. You brought up how you know the cabinsdidn't get to finish the season and the NBA is returning at the end of thismonth, but unfortunately, the cabs are not one of the twenty two teams whowill be competing, but there is there's this proposed second bubble for teamsto play in Chicago to get back into the swing of things. What do you thinkabout that? Well, there's two sides of it becausethere's this need for wanting to be around sports inoning, normal seaback Rightyep An- and...

...it's like, I would love to be in a citywhere you get to cover and get your team and get back to. You know what youknow, but then too it's also twenty twenty yeah. That alone, I think Wi'll be inthe history books of just how it's altered. So many different things. Sofor me it's just the safety first. I know the research happens on July thirdor everyone going to Orlando and for Disney and so we're just monitoringthat as well. I think it's very interesting too, to see in howtransparent, I think the League has done a really good job, along with Adamsovergis being transparent about what the League is wanting, but also thathow important the safety and the health of the players and staff are. So youcan see you know with him even mentioning Yes, we eregoing to start we're not sure for woing to finish, because we want to make surethat everyone is healthy and we don't know the trajector of this right now.So when you're mentioning a second bubble to me, it's, how is this going to be safe for those playersof those eight teems that aren't necessarily playing for a nationaltitle? You know and what are the risk factors in that, so I would love to getback to work in that aspect. If I wasn't governing the WBA- but I thinkit's just going to be very interesting to see how that spread out, how each team comes together and oncethat I know that an article came out and a few teams are denying um or justsaying they don't want any part of it. While other tans are like, we can doour own miny camps right where we are so. I just think there are a lot ofthere's a lot of great area still. Hopefully something can happen. Sothere's not that nine months where teams are going without basketball, Umfor the teams that were left out. But at this point I can't even rap my mindaround anythin right now, because with corona virus it just changes everysingle day, and so we have no idea what will end up even for the first bubble.But of course I W want basketball back Chicago is a great city, especially inthe summer, but I eo tere in the summer, but definitely safety. First, it's it's such a gray area. I'm gladyou brought that up, because it's so risky for players for multiple reasonsfor themselves, for their families, but at the same time they want to play theywantto work out. They want to be with their team mates. They want to be readyin case the season starts whenever that may be. So it's it's hard to to figureout. What's right, what's safe and you know whether or not they shouldcontinue to work out and play D and be together M. Have you been able to speakwith players and coaches during this time about how they're doing and whatthey are anticipating for the future? Yes, absolutely so well, I would say: We've had like a gap of a week.Betweenwhen we've talked to players and coaches just with US realizing that theend was inevitable. You know with them not being in the bubble, I'm in Disney,but for the most part, the players, especially the younger players. Theystayed in town, they were in Cleveland, Um, doing their own workouts. When theUM, when clealand clinic courtzs, opened back up for the practicefacility, they went in and the social distance, but they had their workouts.They were excited about getting back on the floor. The this is their job. Youknow and they're missing being out there and we thoughit, even in the lastdannce. Just with that competitive problem, I think Larry DANC juniormentioned we a lot of us Hav that we just want to be out there competing. Soof course, we want to find a way to get involved with everything, but theplayers M- I guess, are just kind of you know a little upset that they were their trajector ofjust ending. The season was m. They were riding high like. I know that therecord doesn't and it isn't a good indicator of you know the progress thatthey showed, especially in the second part of the season, but they were doinga lot of great things and especially with a young team, you don't want to lose that you know soit's up to them to stay in the gym and Continu to watch film and the coachesare making sure that they are watching film with them and they have differentsessions through zoom, where they're connecting with one another and theseguys, just because the ball is in drubling for them does it mean thatthey aren't so brothers they're checking in with one another they'remaking sure that everyone's Oky, of course, Socia media connectseveryone, but I think of course they would want to be back out there withone another competing m. We just have to find and see if the League has agood safe way for them to do just that, thank goodness for the Internet.Goodness. What would we do it I'll the Internet during this time, my God,...

...it's crazy to think about it? It itgets overwhelming. At times of course, but um we should be very, very thankfulfor it. You brought up your work with WNBI andI'm glad you brought that up. You've done play by play for the WNBA and I'mAssumi you're going to continue to do so. Rai, yes, okay, I ant cool, so Isaw that the League announced that the twenty twenty season will be dedicatedto fighting for social justice and they have plans to dedicate every game tothe blacklives matter movement to keep this conversation alive. So howimportant is it for leaders in sports four professional athletes to keeptheir voices strong, a D and keep pushing in this fight? Wel, that's a great question. Um. The main thing that sicks out to meabout that is how important it is is vital. We are citizens, just likeeverybody else, Andso for someone to allude to then not using their voice for their community or just sticking to something they doas a job is as ignorant as it can be. I think justcovering the DUBNB A and I am so blessed to cover both Um for basketballbut covering the NBA they've. Always been about business and being firstrespond to things in the T, shirts and being advocates of what's going on intheir community, even if it isn't a bright light shine on them, they'restill going to continue to do it because that's the type of woman theyare. I remember covering the finals with the links and the sparks. Ibelieve twenty, sixteen it was um or maybe it was maybe it was twent yfifteen, but I just remember even just with the national ant them some players.You know going out or um you know, leaving for the national anthem. Thatwas a lot of backlash from a lot of fans from or even people that aren'tfans of the W M A and had more built up of. You know why no one should watchthe league or whatever the case may be, but they stood theyre ground and theysaid this is what we're fighting for. It's not just 'cause, it's the trenanywhere else, but because we believe this is something that can change ourcommunity. We want to make sure that we're implementing things in ourcommunities to make it better for this particular reason- and it was very boldand it was it was very matter of fact, and just with wiing t shirts. For youknow, any police mutality that happened within the League, like that to me is,is huge. One Story: Um, you have to talk about Myamor and whichhe's been sat out last year to fight for Jonathan Irons and h. He waswrongfully convicted spent twenty two years in jail and just got released. Hehad a life sentence, I believe, but the fact that he just got released forsomething that he apparently was wrongfully accused for, but her to sit out a season and fightfor him to get out and spin and dedicate that time to something thatshe believed was bigger than basketball. I think that's what's most excitingabout covering the women in the DV NBA, that's what this league is all about,and it's not just about talking about who made a lay up or you know who has aseason high or career high. There are so many stories that can be intertwinedwithin the broadcast, which makes it so fun about who these women are off thecourt and I'm excited to be a part of that change with them. Hopefully, youknow we'll see what that looks like weare not going to be in the bubble,but I'm really excited to to just be a part of the conversation and coveringthem, because what better time when they have the platform right now andeveryone their eyes, they have everyone's ear. So it's important forthem to Contin a shine, and I absolutely um I'm in agreeance with howthe WBA has handled it with understanding the type of players thatthey have and the representation that they have and how they use their voiceand have the DMMB a supporting that. I think that's really cool that my more story is it's almostunbelievable, like you can read about it and and watch the videos a and youalmost don't believe it, because there are a lot of people that have a platform on social media where theycan use it, and they can just use their words. They can just say how they feeland try to convince people, but she legitimately changed her life to changesomeone else's, and that is just it's incredible and I Ilove that the League is staying strong in their stance and they they're goingto keep fighting and- and I love that- and I I saw today- and you might know you might know this story and I'm goingto get it wrong. I don't know who it was, but someone...

...came out saying that they were againstwhat the Wnbas doing might even be a mayor somewhere or something I' Thegovernor for Um. The Atlanta Dream. Yes, is that how it was Hellylaufler? I woasbasically thn that it would exclude other Um. I guess honestly, I really don't here's a thing when when it comes tothis- and I think that everybody is um obviously can have their ow view inopinion, but that doesn't come without consequence. An you have a team thatwere just a league you're, an owner routine in Atlanta, which is known asBlack Hollywood. So there's a lot of African American presents here a lot ofUm, even businesses, that a e black own arehere and the League is eighty percent ArcanAmerican to for you. Two Um say that she wasn't in agreant or goingto support the black lattr black lives matter movement as far as how the theLeague was trying to support it. M. Ok, that's your opinion, but you also haveto understand the consequence of owning a team where these African Americanwomen are not going to be happy about it. And it's it's this heartminkeseeing some of the players in their spots too. You know we thought we couldtrust her. We thought she was for us. I guess it's a different thing when it'swhen you see us as jus individuals, instead of people that Makyiug money,but it's it's pretty sad to see. But I alsothink change is uncomfortable and I think that everybody has to look in themirror and see how they can be a part of positive change. I don't think thateveryone is going to change, but I think that the conversation has tostart somewhere. So seeing this and seeing how adamante she is about Um what this mavement is and how shedisagrees with it that openes up for more conversation, and I think, evenwith one of her players that decided to sit out with rename ontgomery, shesimply said I'm set out for this reason, but I'm open to having a conversationwith you if you're open to it, because everyone wants to be heard, but also beon the same page. So we'll see how that goes. But U'm. Definitely that's that'sthe one up there for the Wa headlines where they've been asking. Why is shesstill one of the owners an lead yeah? It's it's! It's disheartening, like you saidUm, I am someone that tries to see the positive in things 'cause. I thinkespecially now, there's so much negative going on that. I thinkconversations are a step in the right direction. Um. Obviously we know that just talkingabout it doesn't change, it doesn't fix a problem. You have to actually act onit Um. So I'm hopeful that you know some change comes and- and hopefullyshe has a change of hard or or um just just moves forward in in a positive way,um, especially for the League um to switch subjects a little bit more of ana genderole question. Now, how do you manage a lot of women specifically insports deal with this? How do you manage the expectation that comes withbeing an attractive female in sports like how do you balance proving yourworth? Even though you, you know you have nothing to prove at all, but doingthat while actually focusing on your job. I think that's a great question mainlybecause everyone thinks that you're hired because of your looks, but mymentar always told me they see you first, but they you get there by what you look like,but you stay there because of what you say so to me. It's understand inunderstanding what that means for my role, I'll show up to practice and I'llshoot around at the at the you know, goals or whatever before the team comesin, but they understand that I love this game number one. I think theytrust that I am you know for them and that to me being around every day, evenfor the practices that they're, like you know, what mete you can take theday off, you don't have to show up. Well, I don't have kids, I'm notmarried, so I can just show up and say: Hey. This is t a part of my job. I loveit, so I'm going to show up anyway a an get some extra stories. So when theysee you every day that makes a difference. I remember not being Um actually at one practice 'cause I hadanother obligation for I'm a football game and one of the was like. Oh so youjust take days off tey notice. They tthy they notice. Whenyou show up- and it's really awesome too, when you dedicate time tounderstanding each individual each player, how they want to be interviewed,what things that they've got going on, how they want to share that to themedia, how you can be a vessein ensuring that so it's me being ateammate and a partner with him instead of just being media. So I honestly,...

I don't even think of myself as justbeing a gender in this field, because honestly,I'm always around basketball, so the guys that I am around they don't treatme like that. They treat me like family. They, obviously they know I'm a girl,but they too are like hey. I saw your team just lost in you know, MarchMatnis, I just saw your team lost and the ACC tournament. Those are theconversations we're having we're literally just sitting down and youknow getting to know each other like friends and family. I I recall to m oneof the moments where I was just ie. This is awesome because it does feellike family going with the calves to the m national historic. I I'm Fterrible that I'm about to butcher this, but it was a national museum, UmCiconian actually in DC, and they were like all right, we'regoing to go and just being there with them to witness that and and walkthrough the Museum I was like this has nothing to do with basketball, nothingto do with me doing a feature or anything of the nature, but we wereable just to sit and just see one another and just hear each other out on.You know different things that were happening in the country and I think that's pretty awesome like those are thethings I focus on now. Yes, it is different when you know even for Lindsey Gotley, like someone,I think she shawed a story being a female ansistant, coach and she'swalking in with the rest of the male guys, Um Sowen askd for her. You know credentalart, you know who are you with she's, like I'm macho coach, I think that's enhis things out war, young yothe like who are you and where you' supposed tobe. But for me I, I honestly a D. I know it sounds like there's no way, butI don't. I really don't feel it different. It's'cause. We really do they, they respect the line and they respect me and thefeeling is mutural, and so it's great when you can show up to work, knowingthat you can do your job and the skin you're in and not be afraid to throw onsome lipstick- and you know a nice dress, but not be a distraction, so Ithink that's definitely a blessing for the role Imonright now. Definitely and genuine relationshipbuilding is so important, really in any role butaslanely. Some peopleunderestimate that in broadpasting. Absolutely you mentioned that n beforejust about how they have to trust you in in building those relationships, butI can guarantee you, I remember one of our guys and I'm not GOINGTO snaw it,but he didn't want to talk to me at all es. I don't trust the like it',Jsyou're, GOINTA, twoswars, Blah Blah Blah towards the middle of the season.This is me every day how you doan, how's it going Talgit to your parents,ell how's it going interviewing the parents talking to the sisters gettingto know them at the Games. I know where they're sitting how's it. How e youfeeling towards the middle on this season. ETERN OPN he's like I'm onlygoing to do an interview if it's with ancel 'cause. I trust her she's, alwaysthere. So it's building those relationships inunderstanding that each person has their time there. You know their way ofhandling things, but it's a comfortability, a level of comfort thatthey have to have with you to do something. It shouldn't be an interview.It should be a conversation and fans can tell the difference when there's Umthe respect there. An my interviews, I like to laugh we're giggling all overthe place when we can. You know so. I think Um, that's something! That's very, veryimportant. We don't have those moments if the relationship in that bond isn'ttair from or as isn't established from the beginning. Absolutely that's it'shuge. It's very very important and you're right fans can tell fans cantell when it's fake or if it's real. So I commend you because 's, it's notalways easy to do, but putting the time in is is so necessary and it makes itso much more fulfilling to really get to know the team that you're coveringan and the people that you're working with so a couple more. This is kind of aheavy question but Um. I I think that it's importantespecially now. What is your hope for the future of black women in prominentroles in sports? Well because of twent Y twenty? I don'tthink it's necessarily heavy right now. I think we've had some time to dealwith it, but I think I just want to continue to see representation Umwithin any role. It shouldn't just be as a Silan reporter, and I remember mebeing hired I just two years ago by FOXBORT's Ohio. I was one of tworegional UM reporters a was African American,THAT'S INSANE! So as me, and I believe T it was a reporter out in L, a thatcovers a clippers and her name is escaping me right now and I feelterrible about it because she's amazing at her job, and she also covers a Foxwith the N F L, that's crazy to me for there to bethirty teams and for the the amount of...

Um African American players in thisleague, there should be more representation of WHO's telling thosestories as well, not just that, but even for playby playone of my other friends. That's right now, with capital city, Gogo and DC fortheir gelee team, she's, the only African American female in the NBA inthe playby play chair and that's, including the League um into that NBAsphere. I believe that it's not just about talent, it's about who's, hiringas well, who are the executive producers, who are those individual t,a coordinating producers who ere in t in the room making these hires. Wehave to have different people in those roles as well. We have to have peoplethat are owning different networks. We have to have tistpeople that cancontinue to M, make and call the shots, and I think that's the most importantthing right now, just not limiting yourself to something that is done andfronting N in not limiting not saying this is a limit role, but just notsaying I want to be on camera, but also being comfortable and challengingyourselvs to be in a situation where you're like I want to own this network.I want to be in charge of this regional network as well so M for women. I would like to see us you know inthose offices in those in those spaces whereit's not Um. It is very interesting because we candive into so many different directions for this, but just for black womenthere's so many different stigmas that we have tried to fight, whether it'show we wear our her, how we talk what we look like on camera Um because of the tradition of what areporter is supposed to look like if there are people in rolls that arehiring understanding that this is a diverse country and people want to berepresented. Not you know to fit into a mold, but for who they are for whateverthe network Mey need. I think it's important to see that reflection inthose hiring roles as well. If that answers your question, so I wodn't dothat Forsoeyeh. Can you leave us with a woman or women in sports who inspireyou? What? Oh, my God? I cannot. Even I'm justgoing to name some off I mean Dorsburg is one of the greatest. I meanauthentic, Um, just unapologetically herself, and Ilove it. I love thachina Robinson one of my ummentors in Thi Leeve were forESPN understands what it's like to fight for women, of all races andunderstanding your voice and what it means to be. Your present presentpresent M as a female, but I think that's just important um in thebroadcast role. I respect every single reporter periodUm. I love that this is a sisterhood and I think it's very interesting whenpeople think that we fight in bigger with one another, so something that Iwas doing over the break was just catching up with sideline a sitelinehow's it going over there. How are you holding up? What are some things thatyou want to talk about? Um? We have to stand in the Gat for one another, andso yes, right now, I want to say every single reporter Um within the Ba withinthe N da that I've crossedpasslet, I am a fan of, I love their journey and Icontain to be on in support of them. I love the fact that Michel Obaba is abad ass and I am stil trying to finish her book, but you know I love the factthat m she is herself and just being under a microscope but um, just a lajust being transparent, but also strong and t being afraid of being strong ofwhat that means is just you know, standing up for what she believes inand standing with her shoulders back Intho pride that she has m to inspireand be an example, for others is amazing. I don't think I can go downthe line because there are so many women trailblazers, Nancy, levermen,Cynthia Cooper, a show. You know swoops Tina Thomson Right now. That's atVirginia Um, Don, H, Staley, who I just had a panel with and how she was asecond AAn American coach to win in the NCLA there're, so many different women thatI can shot out. But I tell you this: it's it's inspiring. Knowing everysingle one of those women is reaching back and helping the next generationthere's so many to name, but the fact that I could call on these women andsay I know other people that have either talk to them or have beenadirect in a witness of them. Reaching back and saying you can do this, I'mgoing to put you in touch with other people, so you can go, follow yourdream or chase your dream or be in those positions where you can inspireothers. That's amazing to me, and I...

...hope we never lose- that energy, as Ialways say, show up with the same energy. You know down the line or whenother people are saying we're. Looking forther women don't be afraid to be anadvocate for another woman, so yeah. I hope that answer the questiontoo asking it about the women I'm in general, but it's it. It's reallyreally inspiring that I have such a strong circle of women that have been inspiring, haveaccomplished so much Lisa Leslie is accompressed so much Um, but they arecontinuing to be mentors and examples on to death, you're right, it's soinspiring to have so many to look to to talk to, and I love that you called it asisterhood in this industry, because it's true and as cheesy as it sounds.That's what inspired me to create this show when I was working in hockey. Iwas meeting all these amazing women and I'm like, I feel, like people, don'tunderstand that, like we all love each other and like we really all aresupporting each other, and I want more people to know that that does exist insports and I think that M is so important in an industry that can feelhard and can be very subjective Um. So thank you for pointing out. So manyamazing ones- and I know I'm sure there are so many that we always forget um inthe moment, but we are lucky to be able to look to so many Andel. Thank you somuch for joining me. This has been a pleasure. I'm so excited that I hadanother semino on the show we got into so many amazing topics. We could ave.We could keep talking for hours and hours M, but I love what you do and I'mexcited too hopefully see you an action soon, ish when it's safe, popalyfingers cross but stay ealthy, stay save and keep up the awesome work. Iman o think you so much and you do the same. Love Love, love. What Angel stands forand who she is. I am so excited to watch and listen as she covers the W ndB, a this upcoming season during a very important time in her country and onthe cat side. It will be really interesting to see what they do to keepplayers in game shape during this extremely odd time. If you want tofollow along with Angels Journey, you can follow her onto winter, at Angel,underscore gray one and on instigram at Angel Grey with three, as in her lastname, and if you want to follow along with this show, you can a, and so shegoes pot thanks for listening.

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